I got a comment on the blog post “Do Morals Matter” , in which Invisible Mikey talked about lots of abortion situations and said,”Acting ethically to solve problems isn’t always so simple, is it?” It seems like everybody thinks that if the right thing is hard, it gives them the right to do wrong. I like this next quote from Mark Twain-
Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
How does a hard situation give you the right to murder a baby? Doing right has never been simple. Invisible Mikey talks about how if you fix poverty there will be less abortions. So, apparently there’s a clause that says if you are poor it gives you the right to murder? And if you don’t feel like working, everyone else can support you on welfare? Everybody thinks that if you hit something hard in life, you should just give to it. Let me make a comparison- If you are driving down the road and your car hits a bump, you don’t let go of the wheel and crash; you grip the wheel and keep on steering the car. We, as people, are being given the choice to not do the right thing, and are being told to do the wrong thing. Every time somebody shoots people they get off the hook by claiming that they have mental problems. For crying out loud! They obviously have mental problems. They need to face the consequences of their actions. Invisible Mikey also said that abortion doesn’t equal murder. Apparently, it is more complicated than that. Do you want to know why it’s so complicated? Because they’re trying to explain that it’s perfectly okay to kill babies. That’s why it’s complicated. It doesn’t have a lot to do with poverty; it has a lot to do with our human condition of sin and selfishness. Invisible Mikey also says that we should be handing out free contraceptive devices. I have a better solution- Don’t have sex before marriage. Doing the right thing is never wrong!
Colton
politically incorrect 
You are seeing abortion as a “black/white” issue. One of religious thought instead of medical thought. There are multiple reasons where it is in the interest of the woman to abort a fetus…and until that spinal cord is fully connected it isn’t a baby MEDICALLY….It will never be okay for it to occur to a person with a strong religious background. Just realize that not everyone will believe the same things as you, and in the US (at least) it is still a woman’s right to choose..not the man’s.
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It is a black and white issue. The cases in which a baby endangers the woman is rare, and shouldn’t be used for the platform of abortion. I heard a good comparison on the idea of aborting a baby for medical reasons, by Greg Laurie https://www.harvest.org/ . In which Greg says that aborting a baby for safety reasons is going against maternal instinct. Because if a mom pushes a child out of the way of an incoming car and puts herself into danger, she is doing the opposite of what an abortion would do.
And I know that you might bring up rape. That is a very sad thing, and a horrible crime, but why are we killing the baby? Why is the focus on the baby and not the guy who raped the woman?
Life begins directly at conception, and no later, and if it does begin later, where at?
And you brought up the issue of being the woman’s choice to choose and not the man’s, how does that change abortion?
People try to bait pro-choice arguments with such things as womens’ rights, life doesn’t begin at conception, and medical dangers of a pregnancy. Which is not addressing the issue. We all know that when we hop into a car that there’s the possibility of a car wreck, the same can be said for becoming pregnant, there’s risks. We try to make abortion a fuzzy issues with no definite lines. Like I said in my previous post, the right thing may be hard, but it’s always the right thing to do. There is no such thing as relative truth, that idea has eternal consequences.
Colton
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and what is right to you may not be right to me. that’s all I am saying.
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I see what you are saying, but there’s either right or wrong.
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and that is where we disagree…there are a thousand shades of grey in most discussions. For a Christian you are absolutely correct. But not everyone is or wants to be a Christian and for them it may be wrong. The great thing about the US is it is okay to have a different religion, or faith, or idea. Unlide a protalitarian regime whereby a differing opinion get one’s head cut off or have them thrown into a gulag. Age and multi-cultural experience has clouded many issues and all shades are now considered before a judgment is ever made.
What is right to a buddhist is wrong for a Catholic……what is right for a born-again evangelical Christian is wrong for a hindu. Who are we to say they are wrong or not? One suggestion. put an “in my opinion” in your writing and all objections to what is written disappear and true discussions and a possible meeting of the minds can occur.
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Suze, I see what you mean. But, I’m addressing issues that are forbidden in my faith (Christianity), and I think that most of us know, or have been convicted that abortion is wrong.
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To debate, one must be open to at least exploring the other side(s) argument. You can be devout in your beliefs and leave room for the possibility that your opinion isn’t the only correct opinion. Otherwise no one is going to take you seriously and no one is going to bother discussing anything with you.
The thing is, there is no absolute right and wrong. Because right and wrong don’t really exist outside of an agreed upon morality. Your right might be my wrong, based entirely on what dogma (if any) we choose to follow. You’re particular set of beliefs carry absolutely no weight beyond those who agree with you.
Abortion may be killing babies to you. To me it’s a grouping of parasitic cells until a certain point.
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Yes, I agree. Our truth is based on our own perception. But I would like to call you up on one thing-when do the cells become human life?
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Oh abortion, it’s like this ugly word that gets everyone up in arms. I sat in a million classes on infant and fetal development in school and I think I can say something that will quiet a few grumblings. First of all, any sexual active female has a high chance of “spontaneous abortion” aka miscarriage. In fact many women will have a miscarriage and not even know because it acts like their regular visit from Aunt Flo. The reason for this is the argument that life begins at conception.
When the sperm and the ovum met and become a zygote, if the zygote does not attach to the uterus, it’s a miscarriage (or spontaneous abortion). For this reason I personally believe that life begins once the zygote becomes a blastocyst (attaching to the uterus and then multiplying and forming human features such as brain, heart, lungs, etc). This is science any medical intern can tell you this.
OK morality: What value does a person have? In the eugenics movement, people euthinized those who were viewed to have no social value: disabled, mentally ill, homeless. What value does a person possess?
An unemployed person receiving government benefits is not a contributing member of society, so why are they allowed to live?
This is too drastic? too intense? As a semi new mom I can tell you there is nothing more offensive to a hormonaly pregnant woman then having people ask you if your pregnancy is a good thing or a bad thing. How is the condition of my pregnancy going to change the way you talk to me? You are trying to deam the value of the embryo or fetus. The pro-abortionist people only give value to an embryo of fetus if the mother does. What about the father? He gave his DNA and participated in the action to create that life, does he not get a say?
The mother may house the child until it is viable outside the womb. Could you imagine living in an apartment and being told you can’t live there after signing a lease because the owner of the apartment changed their mind?
When anyone has sex, it is signing a lease for a baby. IF the baby happens to take residence or not, it doesn’t matter. Having an abortion MOST of the time is trying to AVOID the consequences of it.
Other thing worth mentioning: The consequences of having an abortion are much worse than having a baby and giving it up for adoption: depression, infertility, cancer, etc. A woman’s body ends where the baby’s begins, just because they’re located inside the woman doesn’t make it her body.
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Reading through these comments it has come to my attention that we has a human race no longer believe there is such a thing as absolute truth absolute right or absolute wrong. If there is no such thing as absolute what standard do we live by? Whether or not you want to admit you have a standard, you do. You might think you made it up, or you’re living by the standard of someone you admire, either way you have a standard for life. Sadly however a lot of these standards are based off of poor morals; which leads to bad standards; which leads to a never ending cycle of bad choices, such as abortion. Abortion is a huge issue many people look at but look at the small things our morals and standards effect. If we do not have a high standard then we will have low choices in life.
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